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[Dec. 13th, 2001|11:29 am]
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i made an "official" offer to sema to see if he wanted to merge efforts and work collectively on the client with myself and maybe a few others.. working out of cvs.

he refused the offer though, stating that he wanted to make the decisions in regards to the client, on his own. so, he wont be joining the team. i am still entertaining the idea of collaborating on the project though, with others. sema's source would be probably be integrated, although not in entirety actually.

obvious benefits would be that the client would have its spell checker back and there would be an official distribution again. no real drawbacks that i can think of... more brains are always a good thing. it would also be nice to have a concurrent versioning system instead of single lock like sourcesafe.

anyway, anyone interested, and adequately skilled enough to join the project?
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[User Picture]From: avva
2001-12-13 03:39 pm (UTC)

Re:

I'm speaking for myself, and myself only.
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[User Picture]From: visions
2001-12-13 03:40 pm (UTC)
not when you are stating things about livejournals policy or decisions that are left to management. you are an employee of livejournal, you cannot speak of livejournal matters or decisions without speaking as the employee that you are.
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[User Picture]From: thelovebug
2001-12-13 04:22 pm (UTC)
Why do you keep quoting "livejournal this" and "livejournal that"? avva is as entitled to his own opinion as anyone is... LJ employee or not.

You publically announced that you we no longer going to work on the official LJ client. sema took up the baton with the source code and has produced some damn fine results with it. I don't think it's now fair to take his source code and try and better it after you gave up on it.

As far as being "professional" is concerned, I don't really think that you're in a position to question anyones professional conduct.

You may think I'm speaking out of turn here, but as you said, this is a public journal and "as a paying customer and contributor to the livejournal project" I believe I have a right to express my opinion in this matter.
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[User Picture]From: visions
2001-12-13 04:31 pm (UTC)
note that brad has 2 journals, one for livejournal matters and one for personal matters. he never posts about livejournal matters with his personal journal. the reason is that they are 2 seperate entities. bradfitz is the employee... the other does not touch lj matters.

what i publically announced was that i was no longer going to maintain the official distribution. in regards to "taking" sema's source, i have EVERY right to that. I am an author of the code that he based his client off of. I never gave up on the code, I gave up on the bullshit that was being dealt my way by others.

i don't have to be professional in any manner here, i am not paid by livejournal nor am i even doing anything "official" for livejournal. i am speaking as an individual and always will be unless i become employed by livejournal (which will never happen). you have never seen me in a professional atmosphere nor will you ever, so do not even begin to question my "professionalism" it is not even an issue here.

as for speaking out of turn, that is not the case. you are welcome to your viewpoints and welcome to state them. you are not a livejournal employee, avva is.
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[User Picture]From: thelovebug
2001-12-13 04:34 pm (UTC)
So, you're saying that as avva is an LJ employee, that he's not entitled to his own opinion??
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[User Picture]From: visions
2001-12-13 07:54 pm (UTC)
i am saying that when he speaks on livejournal matters, he is speaking officially for livejournal.
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[User Picture]From: thelovebug
2001-12-14 02:22 am (UTC)
Oh well, bang goes free thought, etc.
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[User Picture]From: grahams
2001-12-19 02:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but in his post he explicitly said "In my opinion", which makes the situation pretty clear...

In the grand scheme of things, I personally don't give a shit what people do with their clients, nor do I care about all the histrionics that seem to go on between members of the LJ staff and visions... Both sets of people seem to have acted like asses in the past, so why don't you all start ignoring each other.
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[User Picture]From: thelovebug
2001-12-13 04:13 pm (UTC)
Not really... I believe that many others share your view.
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[User Picture]From: visions
2001-12-13 04:18 pm (UTC)
then by all means use a different client.
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[User Picture]From: thelovebug
2001-12-13 04:29 pm (UTC)
I use the client (or clients) that I want to use.

End of story.
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